Rayan
"Mosab Rayan" <srayan@telusplanet.net>
Sun, 15 Apr 2001
Rayan
I have read the reason why you left Islam and other articles and I can easily
conlude that your are very ignorant in Islamic Law or Jurisprudence.
About Ahadiths (Sunnah):
Their are alot of false and weak ahadith and according to Shariah Law, the
authentic can only be legitimate, such as Sahih Bukhari.
Sina
All the hadiths that I quoted are from Bukhari and Muslim and I gave the
references. If you failed to even check that
how objective can you be in judging the rest of my articles?
Rayan
“Not all Islamic rulings can be implemented at any given time and
place. For example, the law of the cutting of the hands and feet due to
theft, can not be implemented on society, until society has reached close to
spiritual perfection (which is not the case today), and the reastablishment of
the Islamic leadership (The Khilafah or Caliphate, which was destroyed in
1924).”
Sina
Can you prove this by quoting from Quran or is it something that you made up?
Who gave you the authority to pass such ruling? The problem with Islam is that
in the course of it 1400 years of history any idiot has tried to re-interpret
the Sharia and propose ideas that are not found in Quran. That is why Muslims
are divided in so many sects. Your opinion is worthless unless you can back it
up by Quran, which you can’t.
Rayan
Their are many examples like the one just mentioned. In Shariah, their
is an order and way in how to implement specicifc rulings in society.
Since the Islamic Nation (Ummah) has lost the leadership (the Khilafah), we
are not in the position to implement certain rules, whether foreign (towards
non-Muslims, such as the Jizyah Law or Protection Fee) or domestic (towards
Muslims, such as the penalty of adultry or theft).
Sina
Whether you can or cannot implement the Islamic laws is irrelevant. The point
is that these laws are barbaric in any time. Islamic laws are primitive and
backward and wherever they are practiced that place has become a hell on earth.
Examples: Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, etc. The more a
country is Islamic the higher is its index of human right abuse and barbarity.
Rayan
"The Qur'an:
According to a neutral perspective, it is a very well known fact by
non-Muslims and Muslims that the Arabic Qur'an (not the English Transalation
of the Meaning of Qur'an), is indeed 'extra-terriestial', that is, it is
impossible for it to be of human source. So we can conclude that the
Qur'an was Divinely reaveled to humanity.
Sina
You can fool yourself as much as you wish. I read Quran in Arabic and found it
tremendously poor and bereft of any beauty. It is an extremely disorganized
book and has plenty of grammatical, historical, scientific and logical errors.
The English translators have tried hard to hide the brutal and savage language
of the Quran. For example when Muhammad says beat your wives if they are
disobedient, some translators like Yusufali have added the adjective “lightly”.
This lightly does not exist in the original Arabic. There are many cases like
this. If you knew Arabic and could read that book in the original language you
would not have defended it so blindly. Who said that piece of garage is “extra
terrestrial?” This is the stupidest lie that Muslims keep telling themselves
for over a thousand years. I checked it out for myself and found that it is a
lie.
Rayan:
“Rational Thinking:
It seems that you are not 'rationaly thinking', but
thinking through nafsani (the emotional part of human), instead of thinking
through logic and reasoning. Before you judge Islam as being a satanic
cult, you need to study the Salafi rulings (the rulings of the first three
generations of Islam), the Ulam'a (scholors and scientists)of Ahlu Sunnah Wal
Jama'ah (The People of The Way-Sunnah-and Group-learned Muslims in general),
whom never daired to offer their own opinions, and the Four Scholors of Islam
(Shafai'ee, Hanafi, Malaki, Hanbali), whom founded the Four Schools of Thought
where we derive our rulings from.”
Sina
I don’t know how little you know about Islam. It seems not much. Please do
not assume that I left Islam lightly. It was a painful process and I did study
all I could, desperately trying to prove myself wrong and Islam true. But the
more I read, the more it became evident that Islam is a hoax. I suggest you
read The Steep and Deadly Climb. This is a book
written by an American who became a very devoted Muslim until he gradually
found out what a hoax is Islam and left it. I asked him to write few pages of
his testimonial but he wrote a whole book. It is a very powerful testimonial.
I asked Ibn Warraq to review it and he suggested that we publish it and the
Prometheus Publishing House, the same publisher of Why I Am Not a Muslim is
going to publish it. I suggest you take a look at this book before I
remove it from my website. You will see an American guy's odyssey in the
barren and treacherous land of Islam. Haply it may help you to get out of this
satanic cult before you waste too much of your precious life. That book could
really change your life. Read it. If your faith is right you have nothing to
fear. But if you have made a mistake this book can be your lifesaver.
Rayan
“You seem to contradict in your articles, at first, you would say that you
want peace and love for humanity and that you are not working against Muslims
but against Islam, then you would later on say that Muslims are 'fundamental
human rights abusers, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and your insane
nonsense goes on.”
Sina
It is like saying that I am not against the victims of drug but against the
narcotics. I can also list the dangers of narcotics on its victims by saying
that they become violent, abusive, criminals, balh, blah. That still does not
mean that I am against the victims of this diabolic substance. I love them and
I want to save them. By saving them I would also save their potential victims.
Islam is the disease. I hate the disease not the patient. The disease is
terrible and its effects on the patient is horrendous.
Rayan
“From what I know, your from Iran. Guess what, Iran is not an Islamic
State, in fact their is no such thing as an Islamic State since the fall of
the Ottomon Empire in 1924. An Islamic State is ONE STATE that has no
borders, which is completely ruled by a Khilafah and Shariah Law derived from
Qur'an and Authentic Sunnah (Bukhari). Iran is an Shiate State that
follows the religion of Shiaism which is mixture of Islam with non-Islamic
beliefs (bid'ah or falsehood such as the 12 so called divinely guided Imama,
Muta-Temporary Marriage-which is a practice of Shiates, etc.).”
Sina
This is your opinion. The Shiits believe that they are the true Muslims and
the Sunnis are misguided. Apart from these two main sects, there
are hundreds of other sub-sects and factions, each claiming to be the ONLY
true Islam. The point is that Quran, despite its claim of being a very clear
book is so confused that any one can interpret it in the way the he wishes and
create a new sect.
Rayan
“The Islamic Revolution:
It is a fact that Muslims were and are the most persecuted people in human
history, as you can hear what is going on now in Palestine, Kashmir, Chechnya,
etc. Muslims have now realized that without following and
implementing Shariah Law, that we are on the edge of destruction. Now
their is a large awakening amongst Muslims whom are trying to put the Ummah
back on its feet, and it is only a matter of time.”
Sina
For the sake of heaven, don’t be ridiculous. Islam owes its growth to
violently killing people and imposing itself by sword. Haven’t you read
Quran? Haven’t you seen how may verses are there exhorting the believers to
kill the non-believers? Muhammad ordered the conquest of Persia and Omar
attacked Iran massacring hundreds of thousands of our people destroying our
libraries and burning our books. 90% of the terrorists are Muslims. More
people were killed through Islamic Jihads than during the WWII. There is only
one message in Quran and that is KILL, KILL, KILL.
Read these verses
that I have put together and note that where it says “strive against the
…” it actually says “qateloo”, which means kill.
Rayan
Conclusion:
You need to remove your emotional opinions towards Islam and educate yourself
on the rules of the religion (Fiqh). Your effort is futile, falsehood
cannot win over truth, you are dillusioned to think that Islam will be
stopped...it's just a matter of time...Amen.
Sina
I am not emotional but rational. My emotional love affair with Islam ended
when I read the Quran and realized that I was following a satanic cult. I
agree that falsehood cannot win over truth. Islam owes its growth to imposing
falsehood and suffocating the truth. If Islam was true, there was no need to
kill those who write against it. The reason Muslims have zero tolerance for
criticism, kill their opponents and gag them in anyway they
can is because they are very much aware that they cannot withstand the voices
of reason. The only "reason" they know is force. Might has always been right for
Muslims and this has been so since the time of the Prophet who used to
assassin his opponents like a common gangster.
Muhammad's dealing with the Jews of Medina was
nothing short of Hitler's treatment of the Jews.
Rayan
From: Dam Proud To Be A Muslim And Will Die That Way
Sina
A true enlightened person is open to new knowledge and knows that the only
constant is change. Supple and receptive minds learn and change. Fossilized
brains don’t. You decide what kind of brain you have.
Regards,
Ali Sina
