Jack Angel
Augost 8, 2001
jackangel190@hotmail.com
Mr .Ali
After reading you’r accusations about Islam, I asked my
self about rational thinkin, What (was) is free thinking ? If you look at the
meaning of (free thinker), it logically comes to my mind is completely OPEN
MINDED!
Read
pls => Secular Humanism is a non-theistic way of thinking and living that
draws its knowledge from science, its inspiration from art(!), and its
motivation from compassion. It is based on the belief that each person is unique
and valuable, and that we must all rely on each other to improve the world and
the condition of humankind.
Secular
Humanism asserts that we must each take responsibility for ourselves and for the
communities in which we live, not relying on beliefs in supernatural forces or
gods to intervene in our behalf(!). Secular Humanism emphasizes reason,
scientific inquiry, individual freedom, human values and the need for
tolerance(!)(could be that respect?) and cooperation.
So I couldnt help but asking to my self, is he open
minded?? ( no he ain’t) How can he call him self a rational thinker when he is
not ?!!! Taking side and being one perspective to the subject can not define or
can be meaning of this word, so go ahead ask your self this; Am I a free
thinker?? ( are you? )
I am a researcher not a
believer. I base my beliefs on facts and not my facts on my beliefs. If
you think I have made a mistake in my assessment of Islam, you can disprove me.
The challenge is open to anyone.
(Just
go to yahoo and search on rational thinking, lets c if you can find any other
web pages who hates or so angry at any religion. )
I
aim to fight the hate that is being imparted by Islam. As a humanist and a
freethinker this is the way I chose to help the humanity. It is my firm belief
that Islam is the cause of the hate that separates Palestinians from the Jews
and kills so many of them in terrorist attacks. It is Islam that encourages the
Philippine Muslims to kidnap their Christian countrymen and murder them. It is
Islam that divided India in three pieces and caused the massacre of millions of
people. It is Islam that has plunged Afghanistan in utter barbarity and
desolation. It is Islam that made Iranians to reverse the clock and go back 1400
years in time with so much human suffering. It is thanks to Islam that women's
rights are being violated in all Islamic countries and they are being abuses in
every possible way. It is Islam that is responsible for ALL the miseries
of the Islamic countries. Millions died because of this cult throughout the
history and millions are suffering and dieing to keep this cult alive. Why?
Was Muhammad a messenger of God?
No. I have demonstrated that clearly in my site. I challenge anyone to disprove
me. Muhammad was not from any god but a narcissist man who, like his peers;
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Idi Amin, Saddam, Pol Pot and other sick men of the history
had no conscience. As a narcissist he was a pathological liar. He lied and he
believed in his own lies. This is how the brain of narcissists works. They are
bright but they have a very distorted notion of reality and they manipulate and
use everyone to dominate and supply their narcissistic crave for power.
My job is to show to the Muslims
that Muhammad was not a messenger of God. He was a sick man. He was a liar; a
narcissist and we should not kill each other because of the lies that a sick man
told 1400 years ago.
I am a humanist and I love
humanity above anything else (god, Allah, Yahweh or any imaginary deity) I want
humanity to survive and peace reign. Unless you prove that what I say about
Muhammad is not right, my diagnosis of him stays unchallenged. I have an article
demonstrating that Muhammad was a narcissist
and I am in the process of writing a book on this subject.
This is my contribution to
humanity. If Islam is abolished most of the hate that exist among the Muslims
and the rest of the world will also disappear. This world will become a better
place to live. With Islam the unity of humankind is impossible. How can Muslims
embrace the rest of humanity when their prophet tells them that the unbelievers
are najis
9:
28, that Muslims should fight
them
2:
193, kill them
9:
5 and subdue
them 9:
29
and do not befriend them
even if
they are their own brothers and fathers
9:
23?
If you really are the free thinker as u claim why dont you
lightning the others ? why not give examples of the other religions? Why only
ISLAM? IS that because you are a X Muslim?? ( are you?? ) all you learned about
Islam? And such a smart person like happened to not know other religions ?..
if you were Muslim as you claimed to be, how come you no
nothing about christ or christianity ? or jews ?? and you claiming to be
intellectual person??!!!
If you had doubt on your original faith which you grove up
with ,how come you didn’t look at the other religions ?? YOU DID ?? really ???
If you did, what is your prove that you dont believe any of em? How come you
don’t mention any of em ? If you are a FREE THINKER or rational as you think
you are , can you name a few absurd thing from other religions that makes you
not believe any of them ? As a Free thinker why don’t you make a section of
Christianity or Jews ? ??? .... Why don’t you lightning people with such
things that you believe wrong, like you did with Islam?
So as a “FREE THINKER” with your own words you said ( As
far as attacking the beliefs of the Christians and the Jews, I can do that
freely and without fear of being killed )so we can also
discuss this matter about Christianity? (and among others ? ) for the sake of
Freee thinking ?? so why don’t you??
My purpose in writing is not to
criticize people’s beliefs. I do not care if people want to worship cows,
rats, snakes, a black stone or the hocus-pocus of the Quran and the Bible. I am
not here to right everyone’s beliefs. I am not an arrogant man like
Muhammad who insulted all beliefs and ordered his brainwashed followers to kill
those who did not like his concoction of lies and outlandish claims. The reason
I fight Islam and want to eradicate it is because it is a doctrine of hate. It
promotes disunity and war. People are dying in the name of Islam. Islamic
terrorism is menacing the peace and stability of the world. Islam today is as
dangerous as Nazism in 1930s. Do you want me to sit there and criticize other
religions? I think you have misunderstood the whole propose of my fight. I
don’t give a damn that Quran says Earth is flat, or the Jinns are real
creatures. What concerns me is that it demands its followers to hate others and
kill them. This is what Muslims are doing. Islamic terrorism is inspired by
Quran. I campaign to kill Islam in order to save lives. I do not care about
false beliefs, my concern is hateful beliefs. We lived with false beliefs since
the dawn of humanity and we can live even longer. But we cannot survive with
doctrines that promote hate. Islam must go not because it is false, but because
it is very dangerous. The same people who go killing innocent civilians in
Israel by blowing their own bodies believing that in this way they go to Allha's
paradise and receive 72 houris to make love to, could easily blow up cities in
America. An atomic bomb can be placed in a suitcase and the technology is now
available to the Muslims. These people have no conscience. They are brain washed.
They are full of hate. They would not hesitate to kill millions of innocent
people in the West and it does not bother them if some Muslims die in the
process too, as they believe that Muslims will go to paradise.
Islam is a real danger. Today nothing is more dangerous for the survival of
humanity than Islamism. The world has not yet waken up to this dreadful
reality.
The MAD (Mutual Assured
Destruction) deterred the East and West to blow up each other during the cold
war. But we cannot rely on MAD with Muslims. They are fanatics and death to them
mean nothing. They can kill millions of people and lose their own lives in the
process will do that with utter delight.
Isn’t it the whole idea behind you’r free thinking is
that, you think
faith is harmful and must go is due to the fact that Holy books says such such
things ? If so can we say same thing about Christianity or
Jews?
Christianity and Judaism are as
false as Islam, and there have been many freethinking scholars among the
Christian and Jews that have criticized and rejected these beliefs. These
critics have been freely exposing these religions for at lease two hundred
years. In Islam however the voices of criticism were silenced by brutal force.
That is why the people of the West are much more enlightened and humanists than
those affected by Islam.
What
is your comments on I.e. Jews' hatring to Jesus: Their Holy Scripture, the
Talmud, says: Jesus is burning in hell in "boiling hot semen. (The Talmud,
Gittin 57a)" or how about Jesus being GOD ? or dying for humans sins ? can
we say if he was a god? If so, why he didn’t punish them ?? why he was not
saying, o my self , my self, help me ???? so he was god , and he died for humans
sins ? but he is god !!!!! so god is dead !!!!? so wouldn’t be logical to
believe that or say Christianity(and other) is harmful and must go due to the
fact that Jesus claiming to be god ??? or insane ??????
(If ya look at the christian and other religions not only
Islam, you will find yourself 50k error, which i have no intention of making any
more examples like you do with islam!)
Although I know as much about
the Bible as I know about the Quran and Hadith, What these religions teach is
none of my business. Theology is not my cup of tea. My interest is humanism,
peace and unity of humankind. As far as Christianity and Judaism are concerned
they are de-fanged. Islam, on the
other hand like a poisonous snake is still killing people. For the peace of the
world Islam must be splayed. Other religions and crazy doctrines hurt no one
except waste the time of those who believe in them and dims their intellects.
That is fine with me as long as they like it.
When I read your article(s) , i can clearly see that you
saying; “You do not believe on any religion” , but you are not atheist? ??!?
you
wrote; “To begin, let me tell you that I am not an atheist. I simply reject
the notion of the God presented by primitive religions like Judaism,
Christianity and Islam (including Hinduism and Zoroastreianism). I believe in a
higher reality that I call the Single Principle. This is the same God (!!!?!)
that Einstein, Espinosa and Hawkings talked about”. ( but rational
thinking as I descripe before, it clearly means ,; Secular Humanism asserts that
we must each take responsibility for ourselves and for the communities in which
we live, not relying on beliefs in supernatural forces or gods to intervene in
our behalf(!).
Make your mind would you ? do you believe or you don’t ??
oh I forgot ,you just happen to believe same “being a single principle ” as
Einstein ( etc.) happened to believe.
What is that ?? how can you descripe it ? Where is your
prove ? How come someone who created all a “Force a single principle ” Could
possibly the author of this Universe without a single prove? How ” it” could
be so ignorant ?? , a such a being shouldn’t warn anyone ?? shouldn’t create
or choice someone to say something about it? Or leave some “ prove” or a
signature that he is the author ? yes ?? No..??
If the answer is yes, then all this content of your website
is bullshit you do not even believe your own thoughts or have respect to your
self and i have nor you have any clue what the hell are you talking about it !!!
( if you dont get it;
A )yes: yes he should have !! and has.
B) No –If you say, No!! we can at this point describe
this as “You'll be shooting yourself on the foot, if not in the head. Which
brings the question to our heads that,How can you believe some “Force” who
you not happened to believe to leave a single prove ??????? (keep reading pls.)
If you think otherwise pls. explain That a such force of
yours and Einsteins (and.etc.) happened to believe doesn’t leave a single
prove or say anything about that he is the creator ?? But you can claim, make a
home page,insult, write and say such a things about islam,(not the mention not
really being rational by taking side) cuz you are a free thinker ?? How on earth
the author of this Universe should be so ignorant?? How can he create the
universe with this ignorance and without any single prove to his creations?.
What are you trying to say ? are you trying to say that
“you’re smarter then the ONE being you claimed to believe ?? Is that what we
should understand from all this ??. Is it only smart people believes the FORCE
who no needs any prove at all ?
In this case, any answer you will receive is ,I believe
what you been looking and asking for!!
In the first place the concept
of the Single Principle is my personal views and I have no interest making
people believe in my views. However, from your question I gather that you have
not understood this concept yet. I do not believe that the universe has a
creator; therefore saying that the author of this universe is ignorant is
meaningless. I said I believe in a higher reality not a higher force. Force is
the manifestation of energy and energy is convertible to mass. Force is a
quantifiable physical entity. The anthropomorphic god of religions is even more
absurd than the theory of the original force. When I say that God is the Single
Principle underlying the creation it does not mean that the Principle is the
creator. It is the law of creation. The Principle is not a being. It is not a
thing. It is a reality, just as love and the laws of the universe are realities.
The Principle exists without the need of any creator. I have explained this
whole concept along with why I reject the notion of the religious god in a
number of articles that you can find in my site under the heading “GOD”.
Nevertheless, this is not the subject I would like to talk about. I am not here
trying to introduce a new philosophy. If you do not think it makes sense to you;
you should not accept it. May be one day someone will teach me some new idea and
I too will abandon this concept.
I have to admit that all this contents you been “trying
to tell is nothing to do with being Free thinker or islam religion. If you are
such a intelectual a “ FREE THINKER” you would post my message and explain
to me as well as everyone who share interest. Looking forward to read your reply
if you of course can.
and oh.. plss try to take a look at this page(s) a REAL
RATIONAL" thoughts, who does not take side or has anger of One religion nor
has any personal anger.
http://www.geocities.com/glhumanist
http://listen.to/thetruth
http://human.st/ttbr/NXRated.html
http://humanists.net/
Have nice day and greetings to your "single
principle".
A true Rational thinker - jack.
Let the readers decide whether
you are a “true” rational thinker or not. I have yet to find someone who
does not believes to be one.
Dear
Mr.
I’m
really happy to read your reply and I am truly glad that we can have this
discussion as a human and humanist. If to be honest i do not reject or dont
believe that you’r a good person. I can not judge, insult, disrespect you,
because the way you think and analyse the religion.
But
i have to admit you have misunderstood my content and my questions. When i read
your answers it doesn’t comes logical and answers directly what i was asking
and looking for. It does not satisfy or proof’s , besides INSULTING anything i
was questioning .
My purpose for replying is not to
criticise people’s beliefs like you or disrespect anyone, however I do intend
to correct you and your mistake(s), with an intelligent debate. As much as you
try to prove Islam is wrong.
Why
is so hard for you to except that you are a human being and your thoughts not
necessary correct. (You will see many examples). However as a TRUE” Rational
thinker, as a humanist, I have right to think and say about you (being rational)
,life ,religion anything, which people believes excepts or don’t. Without
insulting directly or indirectly, Which i believe you fail to do so.(!)
So
pls. try to give a seconth to yourself and think,
before you become a irrational or any conclusion about me or my thoughts
about you and your contents.
As i said, I have no intention to
insult but disprove anything you believe in this matter (or not believe ).
However as you descripe i do not
care neither, “if people want to believe in cows, rats, snakes or
Bible, torah , holy scriptures , single principles
and Quran or i care that you think Muhammad was arrogant
and Islam is poisonous snake is still killing people.
I am a Free thinker. Yes I am. ! My
purpose is to show people being “Free thinker” not hating any religion, any
race, colour , language, disrespect,
insult, but discuss anything, freely in a “Rational” debate.
My idea of being rational maintance
“LOVE” individual
freedom,
human
values, emphasises reason. And
happened to belief that each person is unique and valuable,which need for
tolerance and cooperation. Even rejects “any” beliefs in supernatural forces
or gods to intervene in our behalf it does without
hate, insult. ( so
ask how many of this content you believe can best descripe you and your rational
thinking, before you calling me irrational).
This
is the way it is, you may except or not, But do not claim to be someone when you
do not fit in this category !!
When
you replied as “Let the readers decide whether you are a “true” rational
thinker or not. I bet you already remove my article.(!!!) But however, I will
answer this same as you do here on your site with this contents. (e.1)
If people has a problem of my saying
that Jews are irrational blood thirsty people and they kill with no conscience.,
not only that, they also dying with passion of revenge by killing innocent
unarmed civilians without hesitation by any change they get (i.e. look at
Palestine.)
Or
Christianity is same as Judaism ,who kills, tortures, rapes,inocent people,
woman and children ( i.e. Europe.azerbejian etc..).
If
People wants to believe that Jesus is insane ,god , gay, etc. Or
god being one hell of a sick pappy for engaging , chosen a
“9”—year- old -baby Mary, for having child and poisoning peoples mind for
claiming to be god after his born. Its fine with me !!! Maybe this facts
fulfilled with Anger, disrespect and
hate even is sad and true.!!!! But this description has nothing, but nothing to
do with being” Rational thinker”, besides being ignorant and arrogant.
I think is much correct to say that
all religions are a poisonous snake
which been killing for centuries and still killing people. I believe that would
be the correct “rational thought” which applies the meaning of Free
thinking.!!!! Get it ?!?!?!!
If
anyone analyse everything contents here in you’r web page, will conclude ONLY
“Islam
is cult and throughout the history millions are suffering and dying to keep this
cult alive. But not Christianity or Judaism or most importantly GOD!!!
One think i dont understand, and reject
is that, very intellectual well educated (!) person like,you can sit
there, and reply me with fully ignorance like Christians and Jews are
de-fanged(!) and Islam a poisonous snake is still killing people!!?!.... ( read
my examples again and again and then think for a minute!!!)
Now
if really to be rational or if anyone who has no sense of reason “NO BRAIN”!
but a little education will easily prove that, in our life time from the
beginning till now , no human being caused so much suffering or killed, raped as
much as Christians and Jews did and do. ( After all ISLAM exist
no more then 1400 years. You know that better don’t you?)
You quoted “My purpose in writing is not to criticize
people’s beliefs. I do not care if people want to believe in cows, rats,
snakes or in the hocus-pocus of the Quran and the Bible” isn’t that just
being ignorant?,( and arrogant )because then all this discussion we been having
is nothing but empty talk waist of time, if you do not care!!!!!.
And Mr. Ali if you are X- Muslim , you should easily
know, that there is no one in ISLAM
does believe or expects hocus-pocus from Quran, but they believe God, listen
they’re prophet and read Quran for guidance.(!) ( and you are a researcher ? )
You
continue ( as you wrote) ; Although
I know as much about the Bible as I know about the Quran and Hadith, What
these religions teach is none of my business. ..................... ???
Look brother, i do not mean to insult
you as i said before, But before anyone can except and give you any prove which
you have Challenging people for. I think people have to understand you (Which I
don’t), When i read carefully felt your weaknesses , and can’t help but
felling sorry for you.
Its
how strange to see such a person like you points out Muhammad being a
narcissist (which is very funny). Its okay to give examples, which doesn’t
make sense to you, But insult, with out sense of proof ?...
Hitler was narcissist, he killed
millions of people ,because he hated the Idea of Jews being in control was the
main issue, that’s why he HATED Jews, and killed them without hesitation, just
like you hate Islam and spreading hatred through your page to humanity. Yes its
obvious example of ,how the brain of narcissists works.
You
hate god, blame prophet and reject Quran for your own reason’s. You accuse and
ask people to disprove you but you dont care and don’t listen. This is seems
more like you are looking for an answer and hoping to find it by insulting your
(x) belief. I don’t think anyone
can prove you anything the way you think. It was nice of you to say “what this
religion(s) teaches none of my business”, then you get irrational !!!
...............
If
you really think you should warn people from being ignorance, stupid belief’s
as you claim then do it proper or don’t.
This looks like obvious Christian (etc.) propaganda
& conspiracy against Islam. Specially
most links containing + providing Christian beliefs.(!) This is very bad and
funny idea as the day people
claimed Jesus to be god. (um.. if you ever going to tell me same story as the
others, don’t.... I believe i
have research and know about religions more then you could ever imaging + there
is so many pages which provides correct information through science. Not Islam
Vs Christianity Vs Judaism Vs etc.. etc, There is not ONE PAGE not a SINGLE one
within millions of Rational thinkers, who provides information through other
religion to prove them self to be right. DANG!!!!!)
“I
think this is the most brilliant idea to let people desired whether I am a
“true” rational thinker,or “you” are” !! ( I would love to recive
respond from you or anyone who thinks otherwise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
I
am looking forward to receive and "see"your answer and wish you
good luck with you’r book.
Peace
– Jack
