Sohel took on Faith Freedom Foundation and attacked it for issuing the Call
to Muslims of the World. The following is his criticism
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mukto-mona/message/3064
This is Adnan's response to Sohel.
Dear Sohel, I am a former Muslim.
First of all, I see that you have refuted yourself, because you said that
you have a 'meager' wisdom. Let's check what you said-
You said: >>> As long as I do not
acknowledge my own faults I like to blame others. That's what I am. That's
what we all are. We the middle-class humans with funny sense of humanity and
with certain intellectual pride for our meager wisdom.<<<
You are correct that you have meager wisdom. But I and other ex- Muslims
like me don't have a meager knowledge of Islam. We infract know more about
Islam than you (and other Muslims). You do not know
the negative things about Islam. I know you perhaps don't WANT to know them
either, because you are afraid of burning in Hellfire (something
that doesn't even exist, since Islam cannot be a religion from God).
You said: >>> The problem becomes
agonizing when one tries to do the literal translation of religious verses.
<<<
The translations vary only in the nuances, but the basic idea and concept
conveyed by all translations is same, and HAS to be the same, otherwise, there
is no point in translation. The message of hatred,
love and intolerance can be translated into ANY language without confusion.
>>> along with these there are verses
of compassions for all. <<<
You are wrong. When you say 'all', you naturally mean Muslims AND non-
Muslims. But you are not aware of the fact that Quran hates non- Muslims.
It has only the co-called 'compassion' for the Muslims. The hate mongering (
word which you inappropriately used for the FFF which I will explain later)
verses of Quran have already been listed in the "Call to Muslims".
Here is the PERFECT example for the so called 'compassion' you say, Quran has
for all (including non-Muslims).
048.013 "And if any believe not in Allah
and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing
Fire!"
Wow! What great compassion Quran has for non-Muslims, i.e. those who dont
beleive in Allah and Mohammed, his messenger. As a side note, before you begin
refuting this, you should know that its 'messenger',
NOT 'messengerS', and further more, the condition
is an AND, which means condition 1 (believe in
Allah) 'AND' condition 2 (Beleive in Mohammed), and not
at OR condition.
You call burning in Hellfire for non-Muslims as 'compassion'? haha
The whole hate mongering Quran is filled with such evil verses, which only
teach Muslims to HATE non-Muslims and view them with disgust. Tell me, Mr.
Sohel, if your God (Allah) HATES the non-Muslims by condemning them to
Hellfire, why shouldn't YOU as a Muslim hate non- Muslims too, or at least
consider them inferior? Allah is your God, to whom you totally submit.
This is the definition of a Muslim. So how can you have compassion for someone
who Allah hates?
It is not us, the FFF, who is hate-mongering, it is the Quran. Is it
wrong to speak against the Quran because it hates the non-Muslims without
reason? Is it wrong to hate Hitler? Is it wrong to hate the hijackers
who slammed the planes into the buildings? Is it wrong to hate an ideology
which says that those who don't follow it, are bad and deserve to burn in
hell?
I know what's going on in your mind: you're thinking its evil not to
believe in God, but you will not discuss this with us because you know you
wont have any answers for the arguments we raise against this issue. Why is it
so bad not to believe in Allah? Cant non-Muslims be good people? The
Quran effectively says in 48.13, and in many other places that: "Anyone
who is not a Muslim is an evil person and should burn in Hell"
Do you think that's right? So who do you think is the hate-mongerer? We the
FFF, or the Quran ?
You talk of God teaching tolerance. Here is another verse from the
hate-mongering Quran:
Q 3.85 "If anyone desires a religion other
than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in
the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual
good)."
Is THIS Allah's idea of tolerance ?? (along with 48.13)
YES, we are humanists "marked by compassion, sympathy, or
consideration for humans or animals" and it is YOU who is missing the
point. Definitions of humanist and humanism: hu·man·ist
(hym-nst) n. A believer in the principles of humanism.
hu·man·ism (hym-nzm) n. A system of thought that
centers on humans and their values, capacities, and worth.
Considering the above definition of humanism, do you think Quran
promotes humanist ideas? No. Like I said, it thinks that non-Muslims are
evil people who deserve to be burned in hell, WITHOUT regard for what their
values and they really are as a person.
Yes, we are humanists, and we are against ALL
hate-mongering philosophies, such as the evil teachings of the Quran.
You said: >>> but we must respecteach
other's views of this world if it does not promote murderous ideas.
<<<
Again, does QURAN respect non-Muslims? NO. It sentences them to hellfire
just because they are not Muslims. (48.13 again).
Mr Sohel, you are having wishful thoughts: >>>
Some slanderous questions that the hatemongering article raised are simply
laughable, 1.2 billion Muslims, and about 99.99% of world current population
will simply laugh at their sweaty face for their vain attempts to demean
Islam, when the world knows that the real teaching of Islam means peace.
<<<<
Wake up, my friend. Of all the religion, today,
Islam is the MOST hated. (which also makes you think: Is it really
a religion from God?"). You are ignorant my friend, you tried to tell a lie
by saying that 99.9% of the world thinks that Islam is a peaceful
religion. You are living in a rosy world, and are not
aware of reality.
>>> Mohammad, Jesus Christ and Moses
would have been awestruck if they could rise from death, seeing their zealous
followers' atrocities. <<<
Yes, but if they committed atrocities themselves, they would NOT be
surprised, trust me. They would in fact be glad to see their followers
following their preachers examples.
Perhaps you would benefit by reading the following few articles, which
expose the violent nature of Mohammed who commited many atrocities: Persecution
of the Jews by Mohammed: http://www.golshan.com/rationalthinking/jews.htm
Here is your so-called 'compassionate' Prophet Mohammed: http://www.golshan.com/rationalthinking/compassionate_prophet.htm
In truth, he was a liar and a hate-mongerer.
Here, it is explained how Mohammed would order his followers to lie to and
assassinate his enemies: http://www.golshan.com/rationalthinking/assassinations.htm
And you still think Mohammed never committed any atrocities?
About us, you said: >>> Unless they
root out the fallacy of their inflexible philosophy and open their arms for
all the free thinkers regardless of anyone's religious or philosophical
beliefs <<<
Freethinkers of Islam? Excuse me? Islam does not
tolerate freethinkers. You are either a Muslim OR a freethinker.
If you are a freethinker, you are violating the basic definition of a Muslim:
"he who submits to God". A freethinker cannot be a person who
submits to an invisible God.
Lastly, again, we are not a hate-mongering group. It is the QURAN who is
the hate-mongerer, as I have demonstrated above quoting ayats 48.13 and 3.85.
Yes, we dislike Quran because it promotes unnecessary hatred. We are
against all such religions and philophies, and we
will continue to work hard to expose all these religions for all they are
worth. We will make the best efforts to eradicate such hate-mongering
religions, which are now the cause of so much harm, hatred and violence in the
World.
p.s. Dont worry about hellfire. Its a lie. Islam cannot be a religion from
God, Mohammed was not a messenger but an evil liar, and Allah cannot be a
"all-loving" true God.
Adnan ( a former Muslim)
and a proud member of FFF.
[ we are against any types of injustice/torture/killing arising from
religious convictions. FFF addresses all types of atrocities and/or inhumanity
arising from any type of conviction of religion/belief/faith.]
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